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Volumn 33, Issue 4, 2005, Pages 377-390

On the many as one: A reply to Kornhauser and Sager

(2)  List, Christian a   Pettit, Philip a  

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EID: 33645128195     PISSN: 00483915     EISSN: 10884963     Source Type: Journal    
DOI: 10.1111/j.1088-4963.2005.00037.x     Document Type: Note
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    • We do not suggest that majority voting on every proposition is the best decision method here. In fact, we suggest below that giving up propositionwise majority voting may be necessary for the achievement of integrity.
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    • Formally, by the "background legal doctrine" we mean the proposition that the defendant is liable if and only if there was harm done by the defendant and the defendant had a duty of care. This background legal doctrine is treated as exogenously fixed in the present example.
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    • (Cambridge and New York: Polity and Oxford University Press) chap. 5. For more detail, see Philip Pettit, "Groups with Minds of their Own," in Socializing Metaphysics, ed. Frederick Schmitt (New York: Rowan and Littlefield, 2003), pp. 172-75. Philip Pettit, "Deliberative Democracy, the Discursive Dilemma, and Republican Theory," in Philosophy, Politics and Society Vol. 7: Debating Deliberative Democracy, ed. James Fishkin and Peter Laslett (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003), pp. 138-62. Kornhauser and Sager refer to "Groups with Minds of their Own," but still accuse Pettit of ignoring the diachronic perspective and of differing in this respect from Dworkin
    • Philip Pettit, A Theory of Freedom: From the Psychology to the Politics of Agency (Cambridge and New York: Polity and Oxford University Press, 2001), chap. 5. For more detail, see Philip Pettit, "Groups with Minds of their Own," in Socializing Metaphysics, ed. Frederick Schmitt (New York: Rowan and Littlefield, 2003), pp. 172-75. Philip Pettit, "Deliberative Democracy, the Discursive Dilemma, and Republican Theory," in Philosophy, Politics and Society Vol. 7: Debating Deliberative Democracy, ed. James Fishkin and Peter Laslett (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003), pp. 138-62. Kornhauser and Sager refer to "Groups with Minds of their Own," but still accuse Pettit of ignoring the diachronic perspective and of differing in this respect from Dworkin.
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    • Crucially, the majority judgments in Table1 are not inconsistent by themselves. They are inconsistent only if it is accepted in addition that the defendant is liable if and only if there was harm done by the defendant and the defendant had a duty of care. By contrast, the majority judgments in Table2 below are inconsistent by themselves (in the standard sense of propositional logic).
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    • A set of propositions is 'nontrivially interrelated'if it is of one of the following forms (or a superset thereof): (i) it includes k > 1 propositions 'p 1 ' ⋯ 'p k 'and either their conjunction 'p 1 and ⋯ and p k 'or their disjunction 'p 1 or p 2 or ⋯ or p k 'or both (and the negations of all these propositions); (ii) it includes k > 1 propositions 'p 1 ',⋯, 'p k ', another proposition 'q'and either the proposition 'q if and only if (p 1 and ⋯ and p k) 'or the proposition 'q if and only if (p 1 or p 2 or ⋯ or p k) 'or both (and negations); (iii) it includes propositions 'p', 'q'and 'if p then q'(and negations). This definition is given in List, "The Discursive Dilemma and Public Reason."For more general definitions of nontrivial interrelation, see Dietrich and List, "Arrow's Theorem in Judgment Aggregation."
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    • An individual's judgments on the relevant propositions are consistent if the set of propositions accepted by the individual is a consistent set in the standard sense of propositional logic; an individual's judgments are complete if, for every relevant proposition, the individual accepts either the proposition or its negation. The consistency and completeness of collective judgments is defined in the same way.
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    • "The Many as One"
    • Here it can be shown that, if a group seeks to achieve integrity in its judgments over time, these judgments may be path dependent, that is, dependent on the order in which propositions are considered. List, "A Model of Path-Dependence in Decisions over Multiple Propositions." Ironically, as noted above, Kornhauser and Sager suggest that their approach goes beyond Pettit, whom they accuse of focusing on "synchronic, reason-based" issues In taking this line, they ignore the insistence in several texts, including the one on which they rely, that the problem is diachronic as well as synchronic and that it does not require the prior privileging of premises. See Pettit, A Theory of Freedom, chap. 5; Pettit, "Groups with Minds of Their Own" List and Pettit, "Aggregating Sets of Judgments: An Impossibility Result."
    • Here it can be shown that, if a group seeks to achieve integrity in its judgments over time, these judgments may be path dependent, that is, dependent on the order in which propositions are considered. List, "A Model of Path-Dependence in Decisions over Multiple Propositions." Ironically, as noted above, Kornhauser and Sager suggest that their approach goes beyond Pettit, whom they accuse of focusing on "synchronic, reason-based" issues (Kornhauser and Sager, "The Many as One," p. 255). In taking this line, they ignore the insistence in several texts, including the one on which they rely, that the problem is diachronic as well as synchronic and that it does not require the prior privileging of premises. See Pettit, A Theory of Freedom, chap. 5; Pettit, "Groups with Minds of Their Own" List and Pettit, "Aggregating Sets of Judgments: An Impossibility Result."
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    • in fairness, they specifically address the issue of what they call-misleadingly, as we see it-"reason-based integrity."
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    • They argue in this case, congenially, that no normative commitments should generally be privileged in such a way that, regardless of the specific decision in question and their implications for that decision, revision is ruled out. We agree with this last point, of course, believing like Kornhauser and Sager in Rawls's reflective equilibrium; we can readily accommodate the point, since by our analysis the failure of consistency is the primary problem raised in paradoxical cases, not the rejection of any doctrinal prioritizing of reasons
    • Kornhauser and Sager, "The Many as One," p. 256. They argue in this case, congenially, that no normative commitments should generally be privileged in such a way that, regardless of the specific decision in question and their implications for that decision, revision is ruled out. We agree with this last point, of course, believing like Kornhauser and Sager in Rawls's reflective equilibrium; we can readily accommodate the point, since by our analysis the failure of consistency is the primary problem raised in paradoxical cases, not the rejection of any doctrinal prioritizing of reasons.
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    • See Kornhauser and Sager, "The Many as One," take the case of the legislature and focus, not on the general question, but rather on the specific question of how far a legislature might conduct its business on the basis of "reason-based voting." Unsurprisingly, and surely correctly, they are pessimistic about the possibility of getting a legislature to accommodate its decision making to such a procrustean mold
    • See Pettit, "Deliberative Democracy, the Discursive Dilemma, and Republican Theory."Kornhauser and Sager, "The Many as One,"take the case of the legislature and focus, not on the general question, but rather on the specific question of how far a legislature might conduct its business on the basis of "reason-based voting."Unsurprisingly, and surely correctly, they are pessimistic about the possibility of getting a legislature to accommodate its decision making to such a procrustean mold.
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