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Vanderbilt Law School, for example, has set up a series of law-and-business classes that are jointly run by law and business school faculty and use many aspects of the business school teaching model. Early reports on this program from Randall Thomas and Robert Thompson suggest that the third-year students are much more engaged than they are in the traditional upper-level business courses. Along similar lines, Ronald Gilson (Columbia and Stanford), Victor Goldberg (Columbia), William Klein (UCLA), William Allen (NYU), and Eric Zolt (UCLA and Harvard), teach what are often referred to "deals courses" at their respective institutions. These are courses that use the model of teaching students through an exposure to a variety of business deals. As with the Vanderbilt courses, the deals courses also borrow much from the business schools in terms of teaching methodologies. And, once again, the courses are reputed to
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Vanderbilt Law School, for example, has set up a series of law-and-business classes that are jointly run by law and business school faculty and use many aspects of the business school teaching model. Early reports on this program from Randall Thomas and Robert Thompson suggest that the third-year students are much more engaged than they are in the traditional upper-level business courses. Along similar lines, Ronald Gilson (Columbia and Stanford), Victor Goldberg (Columbia), William Klein (UCLA), William Allen (NYU), and Eric Zolt (UCLA and Harvard), teach what are often referred to "deals courses" at their respective institutions. These are courses that use the model of teaching students through an exposure to a variety of business deals. As with the Vanderbilt courses, the deals courses also borrow much from the business schools in terms of teaching methodologies. And, once again, the courses are reputed to be hugely successful in keeping the attention of third-year law students.
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We are aware of similar courses at four other top business schools: Influence, Power, and Transformational Leadership at the Wharton School, Power and Negotiation at MIT, Power and Influence in Organizations at Chicago, and Power and Politics in Organizations at Stanford
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We are aware of similar courses at four other top business schools: Influence, Power, and Transformational Leadership at the Wharton School, Power and Negotiation at MIT, Power and Influence in Organizations at Chicago, and Power and Politics in Organizations at Stanford.
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A version of this broader perspective has been urged by our colleague Lynn Lopucki. See Lynn Lopucki & Walter O. Weyrauch, A Theory of Legal Strategy, 49 Duke L.J. 1405 (2000).
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