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Krischer (1965) 159- 60; cf. Nagy (1990) 217, the latter analysing colon 3 as an indirect question; cf. Erbse (1956) 215, who analyses it as a relative clause (see also Lang (1987) 204); critical grammatical discussion in Drexler (I972) 3- I I. A different articulation of the sentence is presented in Hommel (1981) 277 ff. Erbse (1992) I23- 5 reviews the scholarship on the Proem, rightly pointing out that any attempt to see the Proem as announcing the content of the Histories is likely to create confusion.
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E.g., 'performance ~iterally, 'display'] of the enquiries' (Gould (1989) 17); 'demonstration of his research' (Lateiner (1989) 7); 'public presentation' (Nagy (1990) 217); 'exposer son enquete' (Payen (1997) 82). the Ionian form for si~, is just as a nomen actionis derived from the verbal root 'show', 'display', 'point'. In Herodotus' Ionian, another verbal root, (for Attic 'receive', 'accept', yields in principle the same form (cf. (Hdt. 7.3.3)); aorist forms of either verb are also identical: from (ano)8dKVucr0m and from (es)otxoµm). Some scholars (most recently Rosen (1993)) actually go so far as to view as a form of which would turn Herodotus into a receiver of established tradition, rather than one who expounds original, individual research. See Erbse's (1995) reaction. Nagy (1987) 176 n. 3 speaks of a 'conflation' of the two verbs. See also the comments by Lang (1987) 203 and Nagy's reply ((1987) 209).
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211, who stresses the parallelism oficr1:0pi11,;un68e~1,; and i!pyoov un68e~t
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E.g., Gould (1989) 17; Evans (1991) 3; Hartog (1991) 285; assessment of the 'orality' of the term in Moles (1999) sect. 8. It is worth pointing out that this whole discussion (including the controversy between Nagy and Thomas) suffers from a fundamental and persistent ambiguity in the use of the term 'oral', in that it refers both to the 'mentality' or 'conception' of a discourse ('oral' vs. 'literate') and to its mode of presentation ('oral' vs. 'written'). For discussion, see Bakker (1999a) 29- 37.
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Thomas (1993) 240- 1; Dewald (1987) 150 as well as Ch. 12 in this volume. Thomas uses the first-person verbs as an argument against the idea of the 'oral storyteller', who she thinks is much less present in the text. Signs of speaking in Homer, however, may be less straightforward, but they are unmistakable once noticed; see Bakker (1997a). Against Thomas' and Dewald's stance with regard to the first person in the Histories, see Svenbro (1993) 150, who approaches the first person in Herodotus and other historians as a necessary 'fiction'.
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On beginning and end of sections, see Immerwahr (1966) 52- 8; Dewald (1987) 164- 5. The importance of the particles µev OT] ... OE in this process is demonstrated in Bakker (1993). On pointing backward and ahead, see also de Jong, this volume (Ch. 11) pp. 259- 263.
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, pp. 259-263
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Three times a forward cross-reference remains unfulfilled. It is to be noted that in these cases Herodotus does not use ucr1:epov (2.101.2, referring to 2.149.1), but an explicit mention of Myot (I. I06.2 ev hlpotcrt Myoicrt, on the fall of Nineveh; 1.184 ev 'tOlÓl 'AcrcruptOtO'l Myotcrt, on the Babylonian kings; 7.213 ev 'tOlÓl omcr0e Myotcrt, on the death of the traitor Ephialtes). Are these references to parts of the work that were never written or to lectures that were never incorporated in the final redaction? Cf. Nagy (1990) 235 n. 91. See also Rosier, this volume (Ch. 4, note 17) and Cobet (Ch. 17, note 40).
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