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1987. Social Philosophy and Policy, 6:2 This corresponds to the idea in Joshua Cohen's description of the ideal procedure in a deliberative democracy that “On the deliberative conception it is important that collective choices be made in a deliberative way, and not simply that those choices conform to the preferences, convictions and ideals of citizens,” ‘The Economic Basis of Deliberative Democracy,’ 25–50 at 33. It is important for liberal legitimacy that assent be actually achieved, and not simply be consistent with people's preferences, convictions, and ideals.
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It is important to note that my use of the term ‘citizen’ does not reflect any commitment to any sort of national identity. Saying that citizens of a state owe these obligations to one another carries no implication that they owe any less or any different to citizens of other states. Nor does it imply that they have any right to determine the conditions of entry to or exit form citizenship. Anti-liberals are prone to accusing liberals of inconsistency when they use the language of commonality or citizenship. Roger Scruton says, Nor are liberals consistent their repudiation of the national idea, as is shown by a characteristic liberal attitude to immigration. The argument is advanced that we have no right to close our doors against immigrants from our former colonies, since it was we who exploited them, or reduced them to the state of economic and cultural dependence which ensures that their best—perhaps their only—prospects are now on British soil. If you examine the use of ‘we’ that sentence you will find the perfect instance of the national idea, as I have described it: the idea of moral unity between people, based territory, language, association, history and culture, and so bound up with the self-consciousness of those who are joined by it, as to make subsequent generations answerable for the sins of their forefathers. Roger Scruton, 320. Scruton does not quote a liberal anti-nationalist, so his attribution of inconsistency is only to a statement which he has made up himself. But even on the way he has construed the position it does not take a great deal of charity interpretation to render the position consistent. The first ‘we’ his sentence refers only to the group of people who have the de facto control of the gates. The subsequent uses of ‘we’ and ‘our’ are indeed careless (though, as I say, the carelessness is that of a liberal Scrutons imagination), but they are a shorthand for the individualist idea that we, the de facto controllers of the gates, are unjustly, the beneficiaries of a current distributive injustice which was caused by the behaviour of past de facto controllers of the gates who also, coincidentally, were our forebears (or some of our forebears). We do not owe anybody anything just because our forebears did wrong to their forebears. We owe things to them because we are currently on their wrong side, which situation was indeed brought about by the actions of our forebears. The appeal to groups here, furthermore, is not a fundamental appeal to group identity, but a convenient appeal for the sake of social policy, which must always be applied to well-defined groups, even though it must fundamentally be justified on individualist grounds
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Philosopher on Dover Beach It is important to note that my use of the term ‘citizen’ does not reflect any commitment to any sort of national identity. Saying that citizens of a state owe these obligations to one another carries no implication that they owe any less or any different to citizens of other states. Nor does it imply that they have any right to determine the conditions of entry to or exit form citizenship. Anti-liberals are prone to accusing liberals of inconsistency when they use the language of commonality or citizenship. Roger Scruton says, “Nor are liberals consistent in their repudiation of the national idea, as is shown by a characteristic liberal attitude to immigration. The argument is advanced that we have no right to close our doors against immigrants from our former colonies, since it was we who exploited them, or reduced them to the state of economic and cultural dependence which ensures that their best—perhaps their only—prospects are now on British soil. If you examine the use of ‘we’ in that sentence you will find the perfect instance of the national idea, as I have described it: the idea of moral unity between people, based in territory, language, association, history and culture, and so bound up with the self-consciousness of those who are joined by it, as to make subsequent generations answerable for the sins of their forefathers.” Roger Scruton, 320. Scruton does not quote a liberal anti-nationalist, so his attribution of inconsistency is only to a statement which he has made up himself. But even on the way he has construed the position it does not take a great deal of charity in interpretation to render the position consistent. The first ‘we’ in his sentence refers only to the group of people who have the de facto control of the gates. The subsequent uses of ‘we’ and ‘our’ are indeed careless (though, as I say, the carelessness is that of a liberal in Scruton's imagination), but they are a shorthand for the individualist idea that we, the de facto controllers of the gates, are unjustly, the beneficiaries of a current distributive injustice which was caused by the behaviour of past de facto controllers of the gates who also, coincidentally, were our forebears (or some of our forebears). We do not owe anybody anything just because our forebears did wrong to their forebears. We owe things to them because we are currently on their wrong side, which situation was indeed brought about by the actions of our forebears. The appeal to groups here, furthermore, is not a fundamental appeal to group identity, but a convenient appeal for the sake of social policy, which must always be applied to well-defined groups, even though it must fundamentally be justified on individualist grounds.
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1995. Philosophy and Public Affairs, 24:1: 36–63. Of course, if the neutral justification were proposed by Baroness Thatcher no one would believe that she was being sincere. Discussions of justifications of policies are usually highly stylized because it is difficult in practice to establish the real justifications of any given measure. Not only are people often insincere about the public justifications they offer, but even when they are not, in democratic processes the supporters of any measure or package of measures typically diverge in their motivations. I address this issue in ‘Neutrality, Publicity, and State Funding of the Arts,’
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1992. Philosophy and Public Affairs, 24:1: 244–67. I have discussed the issue of state funding of the arts in ‘Neutrality, Publicity, and State Funding of the Arts,’ (1995) 36–63.1 think that the moderate argument I make there against state funding of the arts applies even more compellingly to state support for a particular national culture. For more discussions of state funding of culture, see Ronald Dworkin, A Matter of Principle (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press 1985), ch. 11; Noel Carroll, ‘Can Government Funding of the Arts be Justified Theoretically?,’ Journal of Aesthetic Education21:1 (1987) 21–34; and Samuel Black, ‘Revisionist Liberalism and the Decline of Culture,’ Ethics102:2
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