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The Carnegie Foundation supplied the law school world with its own version of the Flexner Report, the Reed Report, but its impact was quite different from that of the Carnegie critique of medical education, which in less than a decade resulted in more than half the nation's medical schools closing, the consolidation of medical education within universities, and the disappearance of proprietary medical education. This may have been because Reed, to the disappointment of the law's professional establishment, saw law as two-tiered rather than unitary profession and supported rather than called for the termination of part-time legal education
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The Carnegie Foundation supplied the law school world with its own version of the Flexner Report, the Reed Report, but its impact was quite different from that of the Carnegie critique of medical education, which in less than a decade resulted in more than half the nation's medical schools closing, the consolidation of medical education within universities, and the disappearance of proprietary medical education. This may have been because Reed, to the disappointment of the law's professional establishment, saw law as two-tiered rather than unitary profession and supported rather than called for the termination of part-time legal education.
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Moreover, the timing of Reed's report undercut the more Flexner-like recommendations of an American Bar Association Committee chaired by Elihu Root, a distinguished corporate lawyer, diplomat and Nobel Peace Prize Winner.
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Moreover, the timing of Reed's report undercut the more Flexner-like recommendations of an American Bar Association Committee chaired by Elihu Root, a distinguished corporate lawyer, diplomat and Nobel Peace Prize Winner.
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Noting that before and during the 1960s, women's presence in law schools was miniscule
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Those who graduate near the bottom of higher prestige law schools are also reporting difficulties in finding law jobs, though there have been reports that some law schools are serving as employers of last resort for hard to place students until the time for reporting law graduate employment rates to U.S. News has passed
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Those who graduate near the bottom of higher prestige law schools are also reporting difficulties in finding law jobs, though there have been reports that some law schools are serving as employers of last resort for hard to place students until the time for reporting law graduate employment rates to U.S. News has passed.
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The same anti-war statement will be received differently if it comes from an Iraqi war veteran rather than an anti-war activist, and the impact of a statement questioning or supporting racebased affirmative action will similarly differ depending on whether the speaker is black or white.
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The same anti-war statement will be received differently if it comes from an Iraqi war veteran rather than an anti-war activist, and the impact of a statement questioning or supporting racebased affirmative action will similarly differ depending on whether the speaker is black or white.
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These conclusions have not to my knowledge been the subject of rigorous empirical examination, although anecdotal evidence, such as the plethora of journals reflecting gender or ethnic themes and reports by professors of how their classrooms have been affected by diversity, can be easily found
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These conclusions have not to my knowledge been the subject of rigorous empirical examination, although anecdotal evidence, such as the plethora of journals reflecting gender or ethnic themes and reports by professors of how their classrooms have been affected by diversity, can be easily found.
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A study of the University of Michigan Law School alumni found that lawyers tended disproportionately to serve clients of their own ethnic group and that Michigan graduates did substantial pro bono work and often occupied leadership positions in communal or political settings, with minority law school graduates being more involved in pro bono and leadership activities than whites
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A study of the University of Michigan Law School alumni found that lawyers tended disproportionately to serve clients of their own ethnic group and that Michigan graduates did substantial pro bono work and often occupied leadership positions in communal or political settings, with minority law school graduates being more involved in pro bono and leadership activities than whites.
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Stating that preferential classifications have never been approved absent a determination of past discrimination.
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Although the Court has not directly addressed the issue, it is likely that the Civil Rights Act will be read to prevent private schools from engaging in affirmative action programs that would be unconstitutional if done by state schools.
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Although the Court has not directly addressed the issue, it is likely that the Civil Rights Act will be read to prevent private schools from engaging in affirmative action programs that would be unconstitutional if done by state schools.
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Reaffirming Bakke, might be read as opening the door to the last of these justifications since Justice O'Connor, who wrote the opinion, specifically mentioned the special value that minority lawyers have for the military and business
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Reaffirming Bakke, might be read as opening the door to the last of these justifications since Justice O'Connor, who wrote the opinion, specifically mentioned the special value that minority lawyers have for the military and business.
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However, as Professor Sander notes, the continued constitutionality of educational affirmative action is itself precarious.
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However, as Professor Sander notes, the continued constitutionality of educational affirmative action is itself precarious.
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This is an issue on which the pre-existing views of the Justices seem more influential than any legal or empirical arguments lawyers might bring to bear.
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This is an issue on which the pre-existing views of the Justices seem more influential than any legal or empirical arguments lawyers might bring to bear.
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Four of the current Justices would most likely welcome the opportunity to ban affirmative action while a fifth, Justice Kennedy, has a position whose nuances are hard to discern.
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Four of the current Justices would most likely welcome the opportunity to ban affirmative action while a fifth, Justice Kennedy, has a position whose nuances are hard to discern.
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Except for the bluest of bloods everyone may, of course, rise in social status, but for those who come from well-educated, well-off families a professional education does not without much more mean a rise in social status
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Except for the bluest of bloods everyone may, of course, rise in social status, but for those who come from well-educated, well-off families a professional education does not without much more mean a rise in social status
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SES scores may also mislead when they place rural and urban families in the same social class.
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For example, assume a school had 200 applicants, 40 of whom came from families whose SES scores placed them in the bottom quarter of all American families and that of these 40, ten came from families that were intergenerationally lower class while 30 were immigrants' children whose families, despite occupying low status and low paying jobs in the United States, had backgrounds of privilege quite distinct from the backgrounds of families we think of as lower class.
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For example, assume a school had 200 applicants, 40 of whom came from families whose SES scores placed them in the bottom quarter of all American families and that of these 40, ten came from families that were intergenerationally lower class while 30 were immigrants' children whose families, despite occupying low status and low paying jobs in the United States, had backgrounds of privilege quite distinct from the backgrounds of families we think of as lower class.
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If the school admitted 100 students, 10 of whom were immigrants children and 6 of whom were intergenerationally lower class, it would appear from the SES measure that 16% of the entering class came from lower class origins when, I would argue, only 6% did.
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If the school admitted 100 students, 10 of whom were immigrants children and 6 of whom were intergenerationally lower class, it would appear from the SES measure that 16% of the entering class came from lower class origins when, I would argue, only 6% did.
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At the same time, relative to their representation in the applicant pool, it would appear that only 37.5% of applicants with lower class origins were admitted compared to 52.5% of students from more advantaged backgrounds.
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I am not saying these kinds of effects will occur, but the data are such that we cannot exclude this possibility.
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I am not saying these kinds of effects will occur, but the data are such that we cannot exclude this possibility.
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Its absence, occupation is generally taken to be the best single measure of social class among the SES index variables because occupational prestige is thought to do most to locate a person's position in the social hierarchy. I discuss why the absence of income and wealth data is especially unfortunate given all that Professor Sander seeks to accomplish in the text of note 23 infra.
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In its absence, occupation is generally taken to be the best single measure of social class among the SES index variables because occupational prestige is thought to do most to locate a person's position in the social hierarchy. I discuss why the absence of income and wealth data is especially unfortunate given all that Professor Sander seeks to accomplish in the text of note 23 infra.
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Professor Sander reports that about a quarter of his sample cases lacked information on either three or all four of the indicators and so were excluded from his analysis.
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Professor Sander reports that about a quarter of his sample cases lacked information on either three or all four of the indicators and so were excluded from his analysis.
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To the extent these SES variables reflect class differences by more than definition, a law student's class roots may be different than a current status report may make them appear.
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A person working as a retail clerk may have been running a successful business until an economic down turn when his child was a junior in college, or a mother who worked as a teacher's aide most of her adult life may recently have completed a bachelor's degree and been hired as a regular teacher.
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I am grateful to Professor Sander for providing me with the detailed breakdowns regarding variable availability that I report in this paragraph.
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I am grateful to Professor Sander for providing me with the detailed breakdowns regarding variable availability that I report in this paragraph.
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Responses were received from about 51% of those in the nationally representative sample and from about 43% of those in the minority oversample, where one might expect lower SES attorneys to be disproportionately represented.
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Responses were received from about 51% of those in the nationally representative sample and from about 43% of those in the minority oversample, where one might expect lower SES attorneys to be disproportionately represented.
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Professor Sander recognizes this and notes that in the Census PUMS data an index reproducing his measure of SES correlates somewhere between .4 and .45 with household income.
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Although this correlation is, no doubt, highly significant in the statistical sense, it does not denote a particularly close relationship or one which justifies dismissing concerns regarding the implications of the absence of income information for the validity of operationalized SES.
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A correlation between the study's SES index and household income of between .4 and .45 means that the SES index explains only sixteen to twenty percent of the variance in household incomes in Professor Sander's PUMS subsample.
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A correlation between the study's SES index and household income of between .4 and .45 means that the SES index explains only sixteen to twenty percent of the variance in household incomes in Professor Sander's PUMS subsample.
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There are other problematic aspects but a detailed discussion would take us far afield and soon, I expect, pass the limits of my knowledge. Simply put CAMSIS coding is a novel way of assigning status values to occupations based on interaction patterns of people who, more often than not, have different occupations. Theoretically these patterns should be based on occupation pairs involving friends, neighbors and relatives, but often data constraints mean that the only pairs that can be created are those of husbands and wives
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There are other problematic aspects but a detailed discussion would take us far afield and soon, I expect, pass the limits of my knowledge. Simply put CAMSIS coding is a novel way of assigning status values to occupations based on interaction patterns of people who, more often than not, have different occupations. Theoretically these patterns should be based on occupation pairs involving friends, neighbors and relatives, but often data constraints mean that the only pairs that can be created are those of husbands and wives.
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Code creation becomes problematic when data sources include many couples where only one spouse is working or where there exist what are called "pseudo diagonals" (strong but misleading husband-wife associations as when a husband may be categorized as an agricultural proprietor and a wife as an agricultural laborer.) CAMSIS codes, which were originally established for occupations in the U.K., can and have been established for different countries as in the U.S. Census data based rankings that Professor Sander employs, but they can also be created for particular data sets.
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Thus those who adapted the scale to the 2000 census data which Professor Sander uses caution: [I]t is a little misleading, albeit a commonly made mistake, to analyse [sic] a mixed gender population through CAMSIS scores which are the male scale scores for the men and the female scale scores for the women. The occupational scale indexing used for men and women is invariably the same, further giving the impression of equivalent meanings
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He reports in a methodological appendix that for women he assigned a 99th percentile rankings to codes of 75 and above, yet in the CAMIS ranking data he kindly provided me, a CMASIS score of 75 for women seems to be at the 94th percentile.
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She also drops a gratuitous footnote calling into question data that I and two coauthors published, which indicated that 94% of University of Michigan Law School graduates (a claim based on respondents to a survey we conducted which we believe with little loss of accuracy can be generalized to the population of Michigan Law School graduates had passed at least one bar exam,), and suggests the truer figure is closer to 85%
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She also drops a gratuitous footnote calling into question data that I and two coauthors published, which indicated that 94% of University of Michigan Law School graduates (a claim based on respondents to a survey we conducted which we believe with little loss of accuracy can be generalized to the population of Michigan Law School graduates had passed at least one bar exam,), and suggests the truer figure is closer to 85%.
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I do not know how Yakowitz arrived at her number, but it is wrong. Reports by state bars back to Michigan for the period 2006-2008 indicate that the overall bar passage rates of Michigan students during these years was a bit more than 96%, and this is an underestimate since some bar takers were on their second or third attempt
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I also know there were some earlier years when Michigan's California bar passage rates were at or near the best of any law school, no doubt a function of the students who took jobs in California.
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Professor Sander's data is unweighted, and while this might introduce a bit more noise, it appears that using unweighted data changes little.
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Most class researchers would, however, acknowledge that any categorical breakdown of class is imperfect, and there can be considerable heterogeneity among those placed in the same social class by whatever coding scheme is used.
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In Professor Sander's classification scheme, unlike some other possible schemes, it is obvious that those who place near the bottom of his third quartile are closer to those in the bottom quartile than they are to those at the top of their class quartile.
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Professor Sander is far from alone in eliding this difference.
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Researchers, including text book writers and top scholars, often treat SES as if it exhausted the meaning of social class, perhaps because SES more than class lends itself to continuous measurement and percentile distributions.
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The CAMSIS coding methodology was designed to tighten the link between occupational position and social status by using associational information to create its operational prestige scores, reflecting the notion that class identities are reflected by and rooted in relationships.
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Nevertheless, I regard Professor Sander's use of CAMSIS codes as one of a number of ways in which he has attempted to make the best of what, from a data quality/availability standpoint, is a bad situation.
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Only one of five differences tested by Professor Sander would, by convention, be considered even marginally significant, but the finding of marginal significance must be discounted when there have been five independent tests.
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Only one of five differences tested by Professor Sander would, by convention, be considered even marginally significant, but the finding of marginal significance must be discounted when there have been five independent tests.
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Thus the best conclusion to draw from Sander's data is that, in the sample he examined, there is no substantial evidence of reliable differences in standardized index scores associated with parental background.
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Thus the best conclusion to draw from Sander's data is that, in the sample he examined, there is no substantial evidence of reliable differences in standardized index scores associated with parental background.
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If the slight advantage suggested in the data for those whose parent possesses a professional or doctoral degree is real, it may reflect the ability of a student with a lawyer parent to get letters of recommendation from school alumni or other influentials, and what may be a greater likelihood among students from families with doctoral degrees to themselves pursue advanced academic degrees before applying to law school.
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Sander draws his data from the book Lawyers in the Making by Seymour Warkov and Joseph Zelan published in 1965.
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I could not acquire a copy of this book but have drawn on the data analysis that forms the basis for the book
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This analysis may contain more tables than what were published so I do not know if the information that follows was available to Professor Sander.
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Stuart Rojstaczer and Christopher Healy (whose article Professor Sander cites at his footnote 75) find reliable distinctions between average grade inflation in schools of different types (e.g. public-private), but the amount of inflation varies within school types, so that a satellite public school may have grades that are more inflated than those at an elite private college or flagship public university
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Stuart Rojstaczer and Christopher Healy (whose article Professor Sander cites at his footnote 75) find reliable distinctions between average grade inflation in schools of different types (e.g. public-private), but the amount of inflation varies within school types, so that a satellite public school may have grades that are more inflated than those at an elite private college or flagship public university.
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Additionally, grade inflation varies by fields within universities and these differences will often be greater than grade inflation variation across college and university types.
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Moreover, if this is not complex enough, it could be that within fields broadly defined grade inflation varies by major. For example, Rojstaczer and Healy's data indicate that grade inflation is greatest in the humanities where after controlling for likely student ability grades tend on average to be .4 higher than in the natural sciences and .2 higher than in the social sciences
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A Classics major in a particular school may, however, have grades that are less inflated than the grades of most other humanities majors and of some or all natural science majors depending on the school and its professors.
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Admissions officers whom I have known have had a sense of the degree of grade inflation by school and by major, or at least of the law school relevant abilities that grades reflect.
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Admissions officers whom I have known have had a sense of the degree of grade inflation by school and by major, or at least of the law school relevant abilities that grades reflect.
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Indeed, where admissions officers have dealt with numerous students from a handful of feeder schools over a sufficiently long period of time, some have developed a sense of grade inflation not just by school and by major but sometimes also by professor, along with a professorspecific sense of "letter of recommendation inflation," or, on occasion, deflation
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My recollection is that when I first started teaching, most law school financial aid, to the extent it existed at all, was need-based and the expectation of repayment was presented as a moral rather than a legal obligation
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My recollection is that when I first started teaching, most law school financial aid, to the extent it existed at all, was need-based and the expectation of repayment was presented as a moral rather than a legal obligation.
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Later competition for the most able minority students resulted in financial aid packages for the apparently most able that had a significant non-need component.
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Still later, competition for students with the kinds of credentials that boosted U.S. News rankings led to a broadening of non-need-based awards to all students
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Still later, competition for students with the kinds of credentials that boosted U.S. News rankings led to a broadening of non-need-based awards to all students.
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These shifts were also supported and perhaps fostered by the increasing availability of student loans, which meant that students willing to take on debt could attend law school even without scholarship aid.
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At some elite schools, like my home school the University of Michigan, recognition that whether or not a loan was easily met depended on the career path a law student chose or was forced into, meant that some of what might have been scholarship aid was channeled to loan forgiveness programs that evaluated need for assistance as it in fact existed after graduation
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At some elite schools, like my home school the University of Michigan, recognition that whether or not a loan was easily met depended on the career path a law student chose or was forced into, meant that some of what might have been scholarship aid was channeled to loan forgiveness programs that evaluated need for assistance as it in fact existed after graduation.
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Originally, this was done to enable law school graduates to take relatively low paying public interest jobs. However, since the need for loan repayment assistance depends on income level and not employment type and from a reluctance to evaluate different careers by reference to their social value post law school, earned income became the key to postgraduation financial assistance. I believe much the same trajectory characterizes the history of financial support at many of the nation's wealthiest and most selective law schools
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Originally, this was done to enable law school graduates to take relatively low paying public interest jobs. However, since the need for loan repayment assistance depends on income level and not employment type and from a reluctance to evaluate different careers by reference to their social value post law school, earned income became the key to postgraduation financial assistance. I believe much the same trajectory characterizes the history of financial support at many of the nation's wealthiest and most selective law schools.
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There is also the question of whether we would be doing lower SES students any favors by encouraging more to attend law school.
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There is also the question of whether we would be doing lower SES students any favors by encouraging more to attend law school.
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Noting the financial difficulties faced by law students graduating with high debt and low job prospects
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Noting the financial difficulties faced by law students graduating with high debt and low job prospects).
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Part of the excess was due to the fact that the school was still enrolling better off white students through the summer to keep its U.S. News rankings up
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Part of the excess was due to the fact that the school was still enrolling better off white students through the summer to keep its U.S. News rankings up.
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The students, I have been told, came to the dean the day before classes began and asked to be placed in the same section since they felt that the pressures of being the only black in a sea of White and Asian faces would put too much pressure on them.
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Their request was granted, meaning that one first year section had meaningful black representation and the other three sections had none.
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I agree with several of the points that Professor Sander makes in comparing class-based and race-based affirmative action.
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I agree with several of the points that Professor Sander makes in comparing class-based and race-based affirmative action.
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I regard as most likely true his suggestions that to attain similar "minority" representation, when the minority is those of low SES, preferences would not need to be as steep as they are when the preferred group is a racial or ethnic minority
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I regard as most likely true his suggestions that to attain similar "minority" representation, when the minority is those of low SES, preferences would not need to be as steep as they are when the preferred group is a racial or ethnic minority.
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I use the hedging words most likely only because I am unsure of the implications of class-based differences in law school attendance and because much depends on how one defines class.
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I use the hedging words most likely only because I am unsure of the implications of class-based differences in law school attendance and because much depends on how one defines class.
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I don't think I would as readily assign a place in the lower class to the children of immigrants from many Asian and some other countries even if by the SES measures Professor Sander uses they are in the lower ranks.
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I don't think I would as readily assign a place in the lower class to the children of immigrants from many Asian and some other countries even if by the SES measures Professor Sander uses they are in the lower ranks.
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If instead of this measure we were considering students from families with deeply sunk lower SES or class roots, like Appalachian whites or urban unskilled laborers
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If instead of this measure we were considering students from families with deeply sunk lower SES or class roots, like Appalachian whites or urban unskilled laborers
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I am not at all certain that the preferences needed to admit a representative proportion to law schools of varying strata would be any less than they are for other minorities, and I would not be surprised if they were in fact greater.)
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I also agree that in the current political climate class-based preferences would be better received by the public than race or ethnicity-based preferences and that since class is not a suspect classification, classbased affirmative action would, at least given the current Supreme Court, rest on firmer constitutional grounds.
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I also agree that in today's increasingly multi-racial nation there are challenges in identifying who is Hispanic, Native American or black, for purposes of affirmative action, but I believe that class too has its ambiguities and problems of definition and that we are fooling ourselves if we think that crude SES measures define America's lower classes
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I also agree that in today's increasingly multi-racial nation there are challenges in identifying who is Hispanic, Native American or black, for purposes of affirmative action, but I believe that class too has its ambiguities and problems of definition and that we are fooling ourselves if we think that crude SES measures define America's lower classes.
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Where I completely part company from Professor Sander is on his claims of black disadvantage resulting from affirmative action by the nation's more elite law schools and in his suggestion that mismatch is at the core of the problem.
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Where I completely part company from Professor Sander is on his claims of black disadvantage resulting from affirmative action by the nation's more elite law schools and in his suggestion that mismatch is at the core of the problem.
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Professor Sander and I (and coauthors) along with others who have looked at a range of data have gone back and forth for some years now on these issues
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Professor Sander and I (and coauthors) along with others who have looked at a range of data have gone back and forth for some years now on these issues.
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I remain convinced that Professor Sander's mismatch thesis is largely if not entirely unsupported and is, if anything, least applicable to the nation's most elite law schools.
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I have no desire to rehearse this particular dispute here, but refer the reader to our mutual contributions to the debate and to works cited therein.
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I have no desire to rehearse this particular dispute here, but refer the reader to our mutual contributions to the debate and to works cited therein.
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Richard Lempert, William Kidder, Timothy T. Clydesdale & David L. Chambers, Affirmative Action in American Law Schools: A Critical Response to Richard Sander's - A Reply to Critics (Univ. of Mich. Law & Econ., Olin Working Paper No. 06-001, 2006), available at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/ papers.cfm?abstract-id=886382##.
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Black and Hispanic law students are similarly underrepresented relative to their population proportions in almost all the nation's law schools, but a "critical mass" for diversity purposes has never been defined as a proportional presence equal to the group's population proportion.
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Commenting on an earlier version of this piece, Deborah Malamud pointed out that the family situation of the low-SES law student will not rapidly change and that a student's continued involvement with family may shape her attitudes and behavior.
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