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Volumn 43, Issue , 2004, Pages 55-129

The authentic Dialogues of Gregory the Great

(1)  Meyvaert, Paul a  

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EID: 61349165008     PISSN: 07717776     EISSN: None     Source Type: Journal    
DOI: 10.1484/j.se.2.300121     Document Type: Review
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    • Dom Benedict Hardy, in his favorable review of Clark II, writes: "it seems that the whole project was conceived as an act of homage and love for Gregory. The fundamental insight which has motivated and sustained Clark throughout is his conviction that Gregory, spiritual guide of the first rank, teacher of sublime wisdom, devoted Christian Pastor - one of the greatest ever to occupy the See of Peter - could not have been responsible for the tales of the Dialogues. Terms of opprobrium are heaped upon them: they are bizarre, grotesque, absurd, sub-Christian; full of shallow sensationalism, dubious theology and plain superstition," Pluscarden Benedictines, No. 129 (2003), p. 23-27: the quote is from p. 24
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    • This review is followed (pp. 27-30) by a comment of Dom Augustine (also of Pluscarden) entitled "Pseudo-Gregorian Dialogues? Another View."
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    • Registrimi, CCSL 140, p. 426
    • Registrimi , vol.140 , pp. 426
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    • Carole STRAW, Gregory the Great. Perfection in Imperfection (Berkeley, 1988) passim, but see especially p. 232 "Because so much of man's sinfulness remains opaque, and because the severity of God's scrutiny is also unknown, the wise sinner should perform more than enough penance to obliterate any possible error." But in the case of Justus Gregory was sure he was dealing with an unwise sinner, and hence the severity of his action
    • (1988) Perfection in Imperfection , pp. 232
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    • 6, ll, Multa quippe annorum iam curricula deuoluuntur, quod crebris uiscerum doloribus crucior, horis momentisque omnibus fracta stomachi uirtute lassesco, lentis quidem, sed tamen continuis febribus anhelo
    • Moralia, CCSL 143, p. 6, ll. 189-191: Multa quippe annorum iam curricula deuoluuntur, quod crebris uiscerum doloribus crucior, horis momentisque omnibus fracta stomachi uirtute lassesco, lentis quidem, sed tamen continuis febribus anhelo
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    • Homiliae in Hiezechihelem prophetam, I.11, (CCSL 142, p. 176, ll. 275-279): Unde et medici corporum pannos quos infirmantibus stomachis ponunt, apto quidem medicamine, sed subtiliter liniunt, ne si repleti multo medicamine fuerint, infirmitatem stomachi non roborantes adiuuent, sed opprimentes grauent
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    • For examples of letters sent out together but not entered in complete sequence see Ep. III 58 and 60: Ep. IV 24 and 26: Ep. IX 8 and 10, Ep. IX 24 and 26, etc. On bundles of letters sent out together see Michael MCCORMICK, Origins of the European Economy: Communications and Commerce A.D. 300-900 (Cambridge, 2001), p. 81, n. 67; pp. 80-81 show communications peaking in June and July during the years 580-599
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    • Gianfilippo CARETTONI, Casinum (Istituto di Studi Romani, 1940). The drawing in Plate 1b is based on Carettoni's drawing on p. 65 (Mura a porte). Carettoni points out that (in 1940, before the bombardment of World War II) the old mule path (mulattiera) that ascended from below to the monastery, since it remained within the parameters of the old Roman walls, probably corresponded in part to the ancient road leading from the castrum to the acropolis; in other words, the three mile road up which Gregory would have climbed to reach the monastery at the top
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    • For much of what follows see my article "Peter the Deacon and the Tomb of St Benedict: a Re-examination of the Cassinese Tradition," Revue Bénédictine, 65 (1955), pp. 3-70
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    • [henceforth, Meyvaert, "Peter the Deacon"]: reprinted in Benedict, Gregory, Bede and Others (Variorum, 1977). I approach the matter here from a different angle
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    • For the list of early abbots see Hartmut HOFFMANN, Die Chronik von Montecassino (M.G.H., Scriptores 34 [1980]) p. 11: Constantine and Simplicius, mentioned by Gregory, are followed by Vitalis and Bonitus. The number of years they ruled is left blank for all the names preceding that of Petronax, demonstrating the gap that existed in the Cassinese tradition
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    • Hartmut Hoffmann1
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    • M.G.H., Poet. Aev. Carol., I, p. 40, l. 121. I failed to quote this important verse in my study of 1955 ("Peter the Deacon"), a verse that is so clearly incompatible with knowledge of two contiguous tombs lying beneath the altar
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    • The year 1068 is pure guess work: it lies somewhere midway between 1066, when Leo says work began, and 1071 when the new church was consecrated
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    • The Codex Benedictus: An Eleventh-Century Lectionary from Monte Cassino
    • A facsimile of the entire manuscript is available: see The Codex Benedictus: An Eleventh-Century Lectionary from Monte Cassino, ed. Paul MEYVAERT (Vat. Lat. 1202: Codices e Vaticanis selecti quam simillime expressi 50, New York. 1982)
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    • Translation et Miracles de S. Mennas par Léon d'Ostie et Pierre du Mont Cassin
    • pp. 5-6
    • See Baudouin DE GAIFFIER, "Translation et Miracles de S. Mennas par Léon d'Ostie et Pierre du Mont Cassin," Analecta Bollandiana, 62 (1944), pp. 5-32: see pp. 5-6 for the document of 975 showing a renewal of the building
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    • In the case of St. Menas Peter the Deacon should be left entirely out of the picture: both translations of the relics BHL 5927 - the one that concerns us here - and BHL 5928, are by the same Cassinese chronicler, Leo: see Paul MEYVAERT and Paul DEVOS, "Autour de Léon d'Ostie et de sa 'translatio S. Clementis." Analecta Bollandiana, 74 (1956), pp. 211-217. Hartmut Hoffmann is preparing a new edition of these translation texts in Cod. Cas. 413, to appear in a future issue of Deutsches Archiv
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    • Ambrosienne
    • also a summary of the events in the article by H. LECLERCQ, Ambrosienne (Basilique), in vol. X of the DACL
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    • Clark II, pp. 305-318
    • Clark II, pp. 305-318. Clark makes no reference to my two studies about the Translation, published in 1955 and 1959, in the Revue Béné dictine
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    • Le culte et les reliques de Saint Benoit et de Sainte Scholastique
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    • Book VI, chapter 40
    • Paul Deacon, Historia Langobardorum, Book VI, chapter 40: [Petronax] hunc Cassinum castrum petiit, atque ad sacrum corpus beati Benedicti patris perveniens, ibi cum aliquibus simplicibus viris iam ante residentibus habitare coepit
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    • Commentationes in Regulam S. Benedicti
    • Published in, Rome
    • Published in B. STEIDLE, Commentationes in Regulam S. Benedicti [Studia Anselmiana 42] (Rome, 1957) pp. 231-319
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    • The Date of Gregory the Great's Commentaries on the Canticle of Canticles and on I Kings
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    • See Paul MEYVAERT, "The Date of Gregory the Great's Commentaries on the Canticle of Canticles and on I Kings," Sacris Erudiri, 23 (1978-1979), pp. 191-216. My comments about Claudius' relationship with Gregory (pp. 191-201) retain their value. I tried, however, to make the evidence of the Commentary fit with Gregory, much as Clark tries constantly to make other evidence fit his thesis of forgery
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    • Meyvaert, P.1
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    • L'auteur du commentaire des Rois attribué à Saint Grégoire: Un moine de Cava?
    • A. DE VOGÜÉ, "L'auteur du commentaire des Rois attribué à Saint Grégoire: un moine de Cava?" Revue Bénédictine, 106 (1996), pp. 319-331
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    • La Glossa Ordinaria et le Commentaire des Rois attribué à Grégoire le Grand
    • A. DE VOGÜÉ, "La Glossa Ordinaria et le Commentaire des Rois attribué à Grégoire le Grand," Revue Bénédictine, 108 (1998), pp. 58-60. Decades ago, before electronic tools were available, I had once asked Patrick Verbraken how we should explain that phrases Gregory was very fond of like ac si diceret (86) and ac si dicat (56) never appeared in the Commentary on I Samuel, whose author (Claudius, as we supposed) always used quasi dicat (104), which Gregory himself never uses
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    • Medieval Notions of Publication: the 'Unpublished Opus Caroli Regis contra synodum and the Council of Frankfort (794)
    • The full title is "Medieval Notions of Publication: the 'Unpublished" Opus Caroli Regis contra synodum and the Council of Frankfort (794)," The Journal of Medieval Latin, 12 (2002), pp. 78-89
    • (2002) The Journal of Medieval Latin , vol.12 , pp. 78-89
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    • I published these in JEH, 40 (1989), p. 345, when commenting on Clark's reply to my essay about his work in JEH 39
    • (1989) JEH , vol.40 , pp. 345
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    • A Letter of Pelagius II Composed by Gregory the Great
    • ed. John C. CAVADINI, University of Notre Dame, Page 109, note 32
    • See Paul MEYVAERT, "A Letter of Pelagius II Composed by Gregory the Great," in Gregory the Great. A Symposium, ed. John C. CAVADINI (University of Notre Dame, 1995), pp. 94-116. Page 109, note 32, provides good proof of how vocabulary can be used to demonstrate authorship
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    • The Catholic University of America Press, Washington DC
    • This English version of the Prologue is from Saint Gregory the Great. Dialogues, Translated by Odo John ZIMMERMAN, O.S.B. (The Fathers of the Church, vol. 7 [1949], pp. 3-6). (Used with permission: Fathers of the Church Series, The Catholic University of America Press, Washington DC)
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    • Images of Church and State: From Sulpicius Severus to Notker Balbulus
    • For the use Notker Balbulus made of Severus in his Gesta Karoli Magni imperatorissee Joaquin MARÍNEZ-PIZARRO, "Images of Church and State: From Sulpicius Severus to Notker Balbulus," The Journal of Medieval Latin, 4 (1994), pp. 25-38
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