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In this regard, the example of African-American musicians provides a striking parallel to Romani musicians and their relationship with dominant society; and in the case of Romanian Romani musicians, the parallels are even closer given the historical experience of slavery, which both Roms and Black Americans endured. Much as hierarchical divisions based on occupation emerged among Romani slaves, among African-American slaves, rank was according to the types of work they were assigned. Furthermore, as with lǎutari, whose status was elevated among slaves, Black musicians were also more privileged than other slaves. See Roger Abrahams, Singing the Master: The Emergence of African-American Culture in the Plantation South (New York, 1992) .
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This contrasts with patterns observed among nomadic and seminomadic Roms in North America and Britain, where husbands are not bound, as arc lǎutari, to demanding-albeit uncertain and periodic - professions but rather stay out of the public eye and tend to the politics of the extended family community. Their wives are both responsible for the domestic labor and expected to earn income outside the home (among non-Roms) such as in fortune-telling. See Carol Silverman, "Pollution and Power: Gypsy Women in America," in Matt T. Salo, ed., The American Kalderash: Gypsies in the New World (Centenary College, N.J., 1981), 55-70;
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Pǎun is the president of the Party of Roms. Bǎcanu, Tiganii, 53.
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Noting a similar phenomenon in Greece, Tong noted that yíftos is a derogatory term for Rom in Greece, yet it is frequently employed by Roms among themselves. Tong, "Romani as Symbols," 184.
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A Romani musician from Macedonia also expressed civic disinterest and apathy. He told me that he had no interest in being politically active with other Roms; as he put it, "It's not my thing."
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