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Stoic metaphors for philosophy bring out just how closely unified the parts are, comparing philosophy to an egg, with logic as its protecting shell, and different pairings of physics and ethics with the yolk and the white, or to an animal, with logic as its supporting bones and different pairings of physics and ethics with flesh and animating spirit. See Ierodiakonou, pp. 71-74.1 agree with her that the metaphor of a garden (and that of a city in the Diogenes passage, which she does not discuss) is less satisfactory for representing the unity of Stoic philosophy.
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Rem utilem desideras et ad sapientiam properanti necessariam, dividi philosophiam et ingens corpus eius in membra disponi. Facilius enim per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur. Utinam quidam quemadmodum universa mundi fades in conspectum venit, itaphilosophia tota nobis posset occurrere, simillimum mundo spectaculum. Profecto enim omnes mortales in admirationem sui raperet relictis its, quae nunc magna magnorum ignorantia credimus, Sapientis quidem animus totam molem eius amplectitur nee minus illam velociter obit quam caelum ocies nostra; nobis autem, quibusperrumpenda caligo est et quorum visus in proximo deficit, singula quaeque ostendifacilius possunt universi nondum capacibus. Seneca, Letter 89,1 -2. The idea of philosophy as a view of the big picture also dominates the following Letter 90, where Seneca relics on it to refute Posidonius' view that it was philosophy which discovered technological devices to improve human life. Far from this being the case
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I do not know what Ierodiakonou has in mind by strict and highly scientific account, but, as we have seen, for the Stoics a 'scientific' account is not one in which ethics has foundations in the modern sense, but rather one in which ethics and physics arc integrated in a way ultimately progressing towards the viewpoint of the wise person
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There is an under-scrutinized oddity in the fourth quotation, which says that we should attach the account of goods and evils to these things, for there is no other better starting-point and point of reference for them. Chemiss translates as Plutarch wants us to read this: 'since good and evil have no better beginning and point of reference, presumably 'than these things, assuming 'these things' to be physical principles. Yet this is followed by oδ which should introduce another consideration to the same effect as we have had, and what follows is a reason for giving ethics some kind of primacy: physical theorizing is undertaken for nothing other than discriminating goods and evils, What precedes the oδ should thus likewise be a reason for giving ethics, not physics, some kind of primacy. This is what we get if we read ov as referring not to goods and evils but rather to the preceding whatever they are, This gives a much less convoluted reading of the Gre
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There is an under-scrutinized oddity in the fourth quotation, which says that we should attach the account of goods and evils to these things, for there is no other better starting-point and point of reference for them. Chemiss translates as Plutarch wants us to read this: 'since good and evil have no better beginning and point of reference' - presumably 'than these things', assuming 'these things' to be physical principles. Yet this is followed by oδ which should introduce another consideration to the same effect as we have had - and what follows is a reason for giving ethics some kind of primacy: physical theorizing is undertaken for nothing other than discriminating goods and evils, What precedes the oδ should thus likewise be a reason for giving ethics, not physics, some kind of primacy. This is what we get if we read ov as referring not to goods and evils but rather to the preceding (whatever they are). This gives a much less convoluted reading of the Greek sentence. If this is right, then Plutarch is forcing this quotation to appear more parallel to, or supportive of, the previous two than it really is.
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Long puts extraordinary weight on the Diogenes passage, especially in "The Logical Basis of Stoic Ethics,' where he says (p, 153) that it 'is almost certainly our most authoritative testimony for the primary principles'. I have myself countered that what we find in Cicero 'is a normal ancient presentation of Stoic ethics, different in kind from the metaphysically based discussions of which we have some fragments,' p. 607 of' Reply to Cooper, Philosophy and PhenomenologicalResearch LV #3 (1995), 599-610, on the grounds that Cicero is our most intelligent ancient source and his presentation is the result of debate and argument. Both approaches try to privilege one text over the other, a project which now seems to me a mistake.
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As for example in 'Stoic Ethics' by Brad Inwood and Pierluigi Donini, pp. 675-738 of K. Algract al. (cds.), The Cambridge History of Hellenistic Philosophy, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1999. Gisela Striker (n. 25) introduces physical foundations for Stoic ethics by way of meeting what she takes to be requirements on ethical theory. I critically discuss her reconstruction of Stoic ethics, which she judges harshly, in 'From Nature to Happiness,'Apeiron XXXI # 1 (1998), 59-73.
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We should remember that 'mixed' presentations are in themselves no guarantee that the author has achieved this level of understanding. Physical and ethical propositions can be discussed together in mutually illuminating ways without the author having a full grasp of either of the parts of philosophy concerned. Marcus' Meditations illustrates this; see my 'Marcus Aurelius: Ethics and its Background'. Rhizai 2 (2004), 103-119.
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I am very grateful to Brad Inwood, Christopher Gill, Bob Sharpies, Eric Brown and Clerk Shaw for discussion and written comments on earlier versions of this paper, I am also grateful to my audience for the version of this paper presented at the fiftieth meeting of the Southern Association for Ancient Philosophy at Corpus Christi College, Oxford in September 2005, and in particular Peter Adamson, Gabor Betegh, Sarah Broadie, David Sedley, Malcolm Schofield and David Charles.
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I am very grateful to Brad Inwood, Christopher Gill, Bob Sharpies, Eric Brown and Clerk Shaw for discussion and written comments on earlier versions of this paper, I am also grateful to my audience for the version of this paper presented at the fiftieth meeting of the Southern Association for Ancient Philosophy at Corpus Christi College, Oxford in September 2005, and in particular Peter Adamson, Gabor Betegh, Sarah Broadie, David Sedley, Malcolm Schofield and David Charles.
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