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Volumn 40, Issue 3, 2004, Pages 249-268

Talbott's universalism, divine justice, and the Atonement

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DOI: 10.1017/S0034412504007048     Document Type: Review
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    • Presumably, then, mercy can be legitimately expressed only when justice warrants but does not require punishment. In all such cases, perfect love would presumably show mercy.
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    • This second response is one Seymour fails to note. It provides, we think, a better answer to the Kantian view Seymour considers, namely, the view that an infinite succession of moments of suffering will be viewed by God, from his atemporal perspective, as a completed whole, and hence as infinite suffering
    • This second response is one Seymour fails to note. It provides, we think, a better answer to the Kantian view Seymour considers - namely, the view that an infinite succession of moments of suffering will be viewed by God, from his atemporal perspective, as a completed whole, and hence as infinite suffering
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    • 'Quia attributa Dei non sunt aliquod accidens mutabile in Deo, sed ipsa ejus essentia, ideo amorem et dilectionem ejus, qua pios complectitur, opportet esse quiddam longe ardentius, quam nos cogitatione complecti possumus.'; Ecclesiastes 2.23: 'Quantus est Deus, tanta misericordia ejus.' At ipse infinitus, immensus, invariabilis, aeternus. Ergo etiam talis est ipsius misericordia, 'praevaluit super nos in aeternum.' Psalms 117.2. 'Ipsa non variatur nee mutatur, nisi nos mutemur, sicut sol manet idem, sed homines ab ejus luce et calore se avertentes beneficiis solis se ipsos privant.' Gerhard, LT, 1, l. 2, cap. 7, §112, 298 in Preuss LT. Translation ours.
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    • Charles Seymour would here object that eternal damnation can be explained by an infinite number of finite human sins. We take up this line of objection in the next section
    • Charles Seymour would here object that eternal damnation can be explained by an infinite number of finite human sins. We take up this line of objection in the next section
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    • This was the position taken by Fritschel 'Concerning objective and subjective atonement', 150-160. For a powerful critique of this way of understanding the doctrine of justification by grace through faith, see Dorner A System of Christian Doctrine, pt 2, vol. 4, 209-217
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    • It is probably because they saw this difficulty that most eighteenth- and nineteenth-century Lutheran theologians, who wished to be true to their Lutheran heritage, increasingly appealed to a strong doctrine of creaturely freedom as a way of reconciling (1) with (3), thereby denying (2). Cf. I. A. Dorner A System of Christian Doctrine, pt 2, vol. 4, 416-428
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    • Defenders of DLS might deny this conclusion by arguing that while all sin is finite in severity, the fitting punishment is nevertheless infinite in duration (if not in severity). But it seems that for any sin deserving a finite punishment there exists a proportionate punishment that is temporally delimited, and a God who wills the salvation of all would choose such a punishment over endless punishment so as to leave room for His salvific aim. To say otherwise would require one to defend two things: first, that of two proportional punishments (and hence two punishments that both meet the demands of justice) one can be more 'fitting' than another; second, that God prefers the more fitting punishment even at the cost of His salvific aim.
    • Defenders of DLS might deny this conclusion by arguing that while all sin is finite in severity, the fitting punishment is nevertheless infinite in duration (if not in severity). But it seems that for any sin deserving a finite punishment there exists a proportionate punishment that is temporally delimited, and a God who wills the salvation of all would choose such a punishment over endless punishment so as to leave room for His salvific aim. To say otherwise would require one to defend two things: first, that of two proportional punishments (and hence two punishments that both meet the demands of justice) one can be more 'fitting' than another; second, that God prefers the more fitting punishment even at the cost of His salvific aim. While the former might be defended, it is hard to see how a God who could save the sinner without doing anything unjust but who favours the 'fittingness 'of punishment over the salvation of the sinner could rightly be called perfectly loving in any plausible sense
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    • Hell, justice, and freedom
    • Seymour fully develops his defence of DLS in A Theodicy of Hell, and lays it out more succinctly in 'Hell, justice, and freedom', International Journal for Philosophy of Religion, 43 (1998), 69-86
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    • 'Efficacious grace' is the theological term for grace that necessarily moves the will to cling to God. The central element of efficacious grace is that it alone is sufficient to achieve the end of creaturely union with God. No independent choice of the creature is needed in addition. Such grace is consistent with the freedom of the creature in a compatibilist sense, since it moves the will of the creature to voluntarily cling to God, but it might not be consistent with libertarian freedom, depending on how such freedom is conceived.
    • 'Efficacious grace' is the theological term for grace that necessarily moves the will to cling to God. The central element of efficacious grace is that it alone is sufficient to achieve the end of creaturely union with God. No independent choice of the creature is needed in addition. Such grace is consistent with the freedom of the creature in a compatibilist sense, since it moves the will of the creature to voluntarily cling to God, but it might not be consistent with libertarian freedom, depending on how such freedom is conceived
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    • For a list of representative challenges of this sort, n. 6
    • For a list of representative challenges of this sort, see n. 6
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    • Melanchthon On Christian Doctrine, l. 15, 188. We are indebted to Sean Hughes and Jeremiah Reedy for helpful comments on earlier drafts of this paper
    • Melanchthon On Christian Doctrine, l. 15, 188. We are indebted to Sean Hughes and Jeremiah Reedy for helpful comments on earlier drafts of this paper


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