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Volumn 22, Issue 3, 1998, Pages 19-38

Should we really ReORIENT?

(1)  Vries, Peer a  

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EID: 33845981790     PISSN: 01651153     EISSN: 20412827     Source Type: Journal    
DOI: 10.1017/S0165115300009566     Document Type: Article
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    • ReORIENT, 117–123 and 182–183.
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    • Frank does not substantiate this statement by presenting price data for Europe and Asia. That is a pity because not everybody would agree with his thesis. Compare Frank, ReORIENT, 153–164, with for example Berkeley and Oxford
    • Frank does not substantiate this statement by presenting price data for Europe and Asia. That is a pity because not everybody would agree with his thesis. Compare Frank, ReORIENT, 153–164, with for example J. Goldstone, Revolution and Rebellion in the Early Modem World (Berkeley and Oxford 1991) 359–362 and 368–375.
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    • ReORIENT, 263–264.
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    • For further explanation of this concept, which is introduced in the debate by Mark Elvin, see Stanford
    • For further explanation of this concept, which is introduced in the debate by Mark Elvin, see M. Elvin, The Pattern of the Chinese Past (Stanford 1973)
    • (1973) The Pattern of the Chinese Past
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    • ReORIENT, 367, 300–301.
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    • Commerce international et genèse de la révolution indus-trielle Anglaise
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    • See for example P. Bairoch, ‘Commerce international et genèse de la révolution indus-trielle Anglaise’, Annates ESC 28 (1973) 541–571
    • (1973) Annates ESC , vol.28 , pp. 541-571
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    • See passim chapter 11
    • Murphy, The Outsiders, 204. See passim chapter 11.
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    • ReORIENT, 42.
    • ReORIENT , pp. 42
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    • Compare http://www.eh.net/ehnet/lists, 28 May
    • Compare J.L. Rosenbloom, http://www.eh.net/ehnet/lists, 28 May 1998.
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    • Rosenbloom, J.L.1
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    • For Elvin's point of view see his The Pattern of the Chinese Past, chapters 13 and 17 and
    • For Elvin's point of view see his The Pattern of the Chinese Past, chapters 13 and 17 and Another History, 20–63.
    • Another History , pp. 20-63
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    • For an analysis of Needham's ideas regarding this problem see Chicago and London
    • For an analysis of Needham's ideas regarding this problem see H.F. Cohen, The Scientific Revolution: A Historiographical Inquiry (Chicago and London 1994) 439–488.
    • (1994) The Scientific Revolution: A Historiographical Inquiry , pp. 439-488
    • Cohen, H.F.1
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    • ReORIENT, 171.
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    • ReORIENT, 168 and 170.
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    • Oxford That this is the case in Japan can be inferred from figures Frank himself gives on pages 168 and 170 and from his remark on page 106: ‘After that [the year 1721, P.V.] all sources show population leveling off in Japan’
    • A. Macfarlane, The Savage Wars of Peace:Japan and England and the Malthusian Trap (Oxford 1997). That this is the case in Japan can be inferred from figures Frank himself gives on pages 168 and 170 and from his remark on page 106: ‘After that [the year 1721, P.V.] all sources show population leveling off in Japan’.
    • (1997) The Savage Wars of Peace:Japan and England and the Malthusian Trap
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    • ReORIENT, 305.
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    • Tracing the Beginning of the Kuznets Curve: Western Europe During the Early Modern Period
    • For an analysis of income distribution in early modern Europe see
    • For an analysis of income distribution in early modern Europe see J.L. van Zanden, ‘Tracing the Beginning of the Kuznets Curve: Western Europe During the Early Modern Period’, Economic History Review 48 (1995) 643–664.
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    • Cambridge Of course it all depends on what you call an agrarian society, but there a several pre-industrial societies where population growth did not imply a lowering of real wages and effective demand. For data on real wages in the early modern Dutch Republic - and England - see chapter 12
    • Of course it all depends on what you call an agrarian society, but there a several pre-industrial societies where population growth did not imply a lowering of real wages and effective demand. For data on real wages in the early modern Dutch Republic - and England - see A. van der Woude and J. de Vries, The First Modem Economy: Succes, Failure, and Perseverance of the Dutch Economy, 1500–1815 (Cambridge 1997) chapter 12.
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    • Only then did Europe really ‘undercut’ the Chinese in some productive sectors. And even then the Chinese market was never really flooded by Western goods. See, for example chapters 7 to 12
    • Only then did Europe really ‘undercut’ the Chinese in some productive sectors. And even then the Chinese market was never really flooded by Western goods. See, for example, Murphey, The Outsiders, chapters 7 to 12.
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    • For a, what I think, very convincing critique of the high-level equilibrium trap explanation of China's stagnation see
    • For a, what I think, very convincing critique of the high-level equilibrium trap explanation of China's stagnation see Lippit, The Economic Development of China, 68–73 and 85–86.
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    • See for example and the literature mentioned in notes 1 and 3 of that text
    • See for example Bairoch, Economics and World History, 72–79 and the literature mentioned in notes 1 and 3 of that text.
    • Economics and World History , pp. 72-79
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    • ‘A third school would argue that the West-Rest dichotomy is simply false. In the large stream of world history Europe is a latecomer and free rider on the earlier achievements of others. That is patently incorrect. As the historical record shows, for the last thousand years, Europe (the West) has been the prime mover of development and modernity.’ 63 To give only a few examples. Cohen in his book on the Scientific Revolution does explicidy not reject the use of the concept ‘Scientific Revolution’ as Frank wants his readers to believe
    • Landes, The Wealth and Poverty of Nations, XXI: ‘A third school would argue that the West-Rest dichotomy is simply false. In the large stream of world history Europe is a latecomer and free rider on the earlier achievements of others. That is patently incorrect. As the historical record shows, for the last thousand years, Europe (the West) has been the prime mover of development and modernity.’ 63 To give only a few examples. Cohen in his book on the Scientific Revolution does explicidy not reject the use of the concept ‘Scientific Revolution’ as Frank wants his readers to believe.
    • The Wealth and Poverty of Nations , pp. XXI
    • Landes1
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    • Compare
    • Compare Frank, ReORIENT, 192.
    • ReORIENT , pp. 192
    • Frank1
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    • Cohen nowhere suggests, as again Frank want his readers to believe, that there would be a direct relationship between the ‘Scientific Revolution’ and the Industrial Revolution. See, for example
    • Cohen nowhere suggests, as again Frank want his readers to believe, that there would be a direct relationship between the ‘Scientific Revolution’ and the Industrial Revolution. See, for example, Cohen, The Scientific Revolution, 195, 427–428.
    • The Scientific Revolution , vol.195 , pp. 427-428
    • Cohen1
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    • Cohen's book is about the Scientific Revolution, not about the industrial one. Compare
    • Cohen's book is about the Scientific Revolution, not about the industrial one. Compare Frank, ReORIENT, 188–192.
    • ReORIENT , pp. 188-192
    • Frank1
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    • The fundamental thesis of Braudels trilogy Civilisation matérielle, économieet capitalisme is that only in Europe ‘[…] la construction [of capitalism, P.V.] reussit’. See part two of the
    • The fundamental thesis of Braudels trilogy Civilisation matérielle, économieet capitalisme is that only in Europe ‘[…] la construction [of capitalism, P.V.] reussit’. See part two of the trilogy, Les jeux de l'échange, 519.
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    • Frank passes this over and only quotes Braudel as somebody who can be brought in line with his thesis that there were no significant institutional differences between Europe and Asia. See
    • Frank passes this over and only quotes Braudel as somebody who can be brought in line with his thesis that there were no significant institutional differences between Europe and Asia. See Frank, ReORIENT, 213–214.
    • ReORIENT , pp. 213-214
    • Frank1
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    • Bairoch is quoted with approval when he compares GNP per capita in various civilisations at the end of the early modern period and concludes there was something of an economic parity, but when he claims intercontinental trade accounted for only a small part of European GNP at this same moment in time — as you will remember income from trade is part of GNP - his calculations are dismissed out of hand. Compare
    • Bairoch is quoted with approval when he compares GNP per capita in various civilisations at the end of the early modern period and concludes there was something of an economic parity, but when he claims intercontinental trade accounted for only a small part of European GNP at this same moment in time — as you will remember income from trade is part of GNP - his calculations are dismissed out of hand. Compare Frank, ReORIENT, 171–174 with 41–42 and 295–296.
    • ReORIENT
    • Frank1


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