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Often the same philosophers make both types of claims. Prominent examples of the first type of normative positivism were suggested by Ronald Dworkin, Jeremy Waldron, Tom Campbell, and Neil MacCormick; the second type of claim has been put forward by Dworkin, Waldron, Michael Moore, Stephen Perry, Gerald Postema, and others. References to these works will be mentioned in appropriate places below.
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If I understand MacCormick correctly, this is one of the main arguments he also makes in 'A Moralistic Case for A-Moralistic Law', 20 Valparaiso L Rev. 1 (1985). However, at points MacCormick seems also to endorse a version of the argument of type 3.
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Arguably, there are single-purpose instruments that can only be used for one particular purpose, that may be either good or bad, or perhaps neither. No pure example comes to my mind, however, an in any case, it is clear that the law is not such a case. And of course we should also bear in mind that instruments can be used for purposes other than those for which they were created.
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One way to understand Thomist Natural Law is that it claims that the law essentially promotes the common good, and therefore the law is essentially good. (See Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Article 2, concl.) Still, there is an ambiguity here about what this 'essential' predicate denotes. As I explain below, something can be necessarily valuable instrumentally. If this is a plausible interpretation of Aquinas' thesis, it is not at odds with legal positivism.
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Why necessarily? The idea would have to be that a form of regime or de-facto authority that is completely wicked and promotes absolutely nothing of value, could not be recognized as a legal order, would simply not function as law, so to speak. I am not sure about this argument, and I certainly do not wish to defend it here. I tend to think that this is contingently true as a rough generalization, but not necessarily.
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