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Plato's dialogues provide our most important evidence about the philosophical thought of Socrates. Though Socrates typically appears as the principal character in Plato's dialogues, the dialogues provide the basis for distinguishing between Socratic and Platonic thought. As is common, I divide Plato's dialogues into different periods or groups. I distinguish (1) early or Socratic dialogues, such as the Apology, Crito, Euthyphro, Laches, Charmides, Euthydemus, and Lysis; (2) transitional dialogues, such as the Protagoras and Gorgias; (3) middle Platonic dialogues, such as the Meno, Phaedo, Republic, Symposium, Phaedrus, Parmenides, and Theaetetus; and (4) later Platonic dialogues, such as the Timaeus, Sophist, Statesman, Philebus, and Laws. As is common, I treat Plato's early dialogues as a more or less accurate picture of Socrates' philosophical thought and the middle and late dialogues as representing mature Platonic thought. I regard the transitional dialogues as marking the emergence of Plato's own philosophical voice through reflection on the commitments in the Socratic dialogues. For other views of these matters, see Gregory Vlastos, "Socrates," Proceedings of the British Academy, vol. 74 (1988), pp. 89-111; Vlastos, Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher, chs. 2-3, esp. pp. 45-47; and Irwin, Plato's Ethics, section 6.
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Plato's dialogues provide our most important evidence about the philosophical thought of Socrates. Though Socrates typically appears as the principal character in Plato's dialogues, the dialogues provide the basis for distinguishing between Socratic and Platonic thought. As is common, I divide Plato's dialogues into different periods or groups. I distinguish (1) early or Socratic dialogues, such as the Apology, Crito, Euthyphro, Laches, Charmides, Euthydemus, and Lysis; (2) transitional dialogues, such as the Protagoras and Gorgias; (3) middle Platonic dialogues, such as the Meno, Phaedo, Republic, Symposium, Phaedrus, Parmenides, and Theaetetus; and (4) later Platonic dialogues, such as the Timaeus, Sophist, Statesman, Philebus, and Laws. As is common, I treat Plato's early dialogues as a more or less accurate picture of Socrates' philosophical thought and the middle and late dialogues as representing mature Platonic thought. I regard the transitional dialogues as marking the emergence of Plato's own philosophical voice through reflection on the commitments in the Socratic dialogues. For other views of these matters, see Gregory Vlastos, "Socrates," Proceedings of the British Academy, vol. 74 (1988), pp. 89-111; Vlastos, Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher, chs. 2-3, esp. pp. 45-47; and Irwin, Plato's Ethics, section 6.
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Vlastos is prominent among those who have rejected Irwin's suggestion that Socrates assigns virtue only an instrumental role in happiness. See Gregory Vlastos, "The Virtuous and the Happy," Times Literary Supplement, February 24, 1987 (and the subsequent exchanges between Irwin and Vlastos of letters to the editor), and Vlastos, Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher, esp. pp. 6-10. Interestingly, Vlastos does not address an argument for Socratic instrumentalism that parallels this argument in the Lysis, which he does address. As Irwin notes, the argument of the Lysis might be applied to virtue itself (see Irwin, Plato's Ethics, sections 46-51): (1) Insofar as x is desired for the sake of some other thing y, then x is only instrumentally valuable (219c-220b). (2) Virtue is chosen for the sake of happiness. (3) Hence, virtue is only instrumentally valuable. But perhaps Socrates can avoid (3) while accepting (1) and (2) if he denies that virtue is distinct from happiness. Furthermore, it might well be claimed that he does deny this insofar as his strong claims about the necessity and sufficiency of virtue for happiness (Apology 28b, 29b-30b, 30d, 32b-c, 36c, 41d-e; Crito 48c-d, 49b) are best explained by the identity of virtue and happiness and insofar as he identifies justice and happiness (Crito 48b) and accepts the unity thesis that the various virtues all pick out one and the same state of an agent's soul (Laches 199e). On this reading, though virtue is chosen for the sake of happiness, it is not chosen for the sake of something else. Unlike Irwin, therefore, I think this gives us a way of avoiding this argument for attributing an instrumentalist attitude toward virtue to Socrates. My own view is that there is a tension between instrumentalist and noninstrumentalist attitudes toward virtue in Socrates. Whereas I agree with Vlastos, against Irwin, that it is hard to square instrumentalism with Socrates' view that virtue is necessary and sufficient for happiness and I believe that the Lysis argument does not commit Socrates to an instrumental attitude toward virtue, I do think that an instrumental attitude toward virtue fits with Socrates' craft analogy. Crafts have specific goals that can be specified prior to and independently of craft skills and methods, which these skills and methods are designed to secure causally (e.g., Laches 185b-e). But then it looks as if virtue ought to have some independent aim - happiness - and as if virtuous actions ought to be those that reliably secure this goal. If so, the craft analogy supports an instrumental attitude toward virtue. It is not, I think, until Book II of the Republic that Plato resolves this tension in Socratic thought in a noninstrurnental direction.
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Vlastos is prominent among those who have rejected Irwin's suggestion that Socrates assigns virtue only an instrumental role in happiness. See Gregory Vlastos, "The Virtuous and the Happy," Times Literary Supplement, February 24, 1987 (and the subsequent exchanges between Irwin and Vlastos of letters to the editor), and Vlastos, Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher, esp. pp. 6-10. Interestingly, Vlastos does not address an argument for Socratic instrumentalism that parallels this argument in the Lysis, which he does address. As Irwin notes, the argument of the Lysis might be applied to virtue itself (see Irwin, Plato's Ethics, sections 46-51): (1) Insofar as x is desired for the sake of some other thing y, then x is only instrumentally valuable (219c-220b). (2) Virtue is chosen for the sake of happiness. (3) Hence, virtue is only instrumentally valuable. But perhaps Socrates can avoid (3) while accepting (1) and (2) if he denies that virtue is distinct from happiness. Furthermore, it might well be claimed that he does deny this insofar as his strong claims about the necessity and sufficiency of virtue for happiness (Apology 28b, 29b-30b, 30d, 32b-c, 36c, 41d-e; Crito 48c-d, 49b) are best explained by the identity of virtue and happiness and insofar as he identifies justice and happiness (Crito 48b) and accepts the unity thesis that the various virtues all pick out one and the same state of an agent's soul (Laches 199e). On this reading, though virtue is chosen for the sake of happiness, it is not chosen for the sake of something else. Unlike Irwin, therefore, I think this gives us a way of avoiding this argument for attributing an instrumentalist attitude toward virtue to Socrates. My own view is that there is a tension between instrumentalist and noninstrumentalist attitudes toward virtue in Socrates. Whereas I agree with Vlastos, against Irwin, that it is hard to square instrumentalism with Socrates' view that virtue is necessary and sufficient for happiness and I believe that the Lysis argument does not commit Socrates to an instrumental attitude toward virtue, I do think that an instrumental attitude toward virtue fits with Socrates' craft analogy. Crafts have specific goals that can be specified prior to and independently of craft skills and methods, which these skills and methods are designed to secure causally (e.g., Laches 185b-e). But then it looks as if virtue ought to have some independent aim - happiness - and as if virtuous actions ought to be those that reliably secure this goal. If so, the craft analogy supports an instrumental attitude toward virtue. It is not, I think, until Book II of the Republic that Plato resolves this tension in Socratic thought in a noninstrurnental direction.
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Vlastos is prominent among those who have rejected Irwin's suggestion that Socrates assigns virtue only an instrumental role in happiness. See Gregory Vlastos, "The Virtuous and the Happy," Times Literary Supplement, February 24, 1987 (and the subsequent exchanges between Irwin and Vlastos of letters to the editor), and Vlastos, Socrates: Ironist and Moral Philosopher, esp. pp. 6-10. Interestingly, Vlastos does not address an argument for Socratic instrumentalism that parallels this argument in the Lysis, which he does address. As Irwin notes, the argument of the Lysis might be applied to virtue itself (see Irwin, Plato's Ethics, sections 46-51): (1) Insofar as x is desired for the sake of some other thing y, then x is only instrumentally valuable (219c-220b). (2) Virtue is chosen for the sake of happiness. (3) Hence, virtue is only instrumentally valuable. But perhaps Socrates can avoid (3) while accepting (1) and (2) if he denies that virtue is distinct from happiness. Furthermore, it might well be claimed that he does deny this insofar as his strong claims about the necessity and sufficiency of virtue for happiness (Apology 28b, 29b-30b, 30d, 32b-c, 36c, 41d-e; Crito 48c-d, 49b) are best explained by the identity of virtue and happiness and insofar as he identifies justice and happiness (Crito 48b) and accepts the unity thesis that the various virtues all pick out one and the same state of an agent's soul (Laches 199e). On this reading, though virtue is chosen for the sake of happiness, it is not chosen for the sake of something else. Unlike Irwin, therefore, I think this gives us a way of avoiding this argument for attributing an instrumentalist attitude toward virtue to Socrates. My own view is that there is a tension between instrumentalist and noninstrumentalist attitudes toward virtue in Socrates. Whereas I agree with Vlastos, against Irwin, that it is hard to square instrumentalism with Socrates' view that virtue is necessary and sufficient for happiness and I believe that the Lysis argument does not commit Socrates to an instrumental attitude toward virtue, I do think that an instrumental attitude toward virtue fits with Socrates' craft analogy. Crafts have specific goals that can be specified prior to and independently of craft skills and methods, which these skills and methods are designed to secure causally (e.g., Laches 185b-e). But then it looks as if virtue ought to have some independent aim - happiness - and as if virtuous actions ought to be those that reliably secure this goal. If so, the craft analogy supports an instrumental attitude toward virtue. It is not, I think, until Book II of the Republic that Plato resolves this tension in Socratic thought in a noninstrurnental direction.
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A somewhat different worry about whether my interpretation of Platonic and Aristotelian conceptions of love and friendship can accommodate intrinsic concern for another is this: Does interpersonal psychological interdependence justify associates (a) in being concerned about the other's overall good, though to a degree or strength that reflects the extent of their interdependence, or (b) in being concerned only about that part of the associate's good corresponding to the nature of their interdependence? Consider, for example, my reasons to be concerned about a casual acquaintance with whom I share a hobby. According to (a), our interaction gives me reasons to care about her overall good, though these reasons are weaker than my reasons to be concerned about the overall good of my family members or intimate friends; according to (b), I have reason to care only about those aspects of her welfare that are related to our shared hobby. Whereas (a) would recognize intrinsic concern for another, (b) might underwrite a version of Vlastos's worry that Plato and Aristotle can deliver concern for another's partial attributes but not for the other for the other's own sake. I believe, but cannot properly argue here, that the correct way to model interpersonal relations and concern on intrapersonal relations and concern vindicates (a), rather than (b). See my "Self-Love and Altruism," esp. Sections VII and XI.
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In "The Individual as Object of Love," Vlastos makes important connections between Platonic love and the political theory in the Republic. However, his misdiagnosis of the flaws in Platonic love infect his diagnosis of the flaws in authoritarian rule. Put briefly, we might say that just as the real flaw in Platonic love is not that the lover fails to have concern for the beloved's own sake but that he has an impoverished conception of the beloved's role in his own well-being, so too the real flaw in authoritarian rule is not that the guardians are not concerned with the well-being of auxiliaries and artisans but that the former have an impoverished conception of the role of deliberative opportunities and responsibilities in the latter's well-being.
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Plato's other political writings say more about nonideal theory. In the Statesman, Plato claims that the rule of law makes for imprecise justice (294b-295e); as a result, he thinks that constitutional government is a second-best option, behind case-by-case rule by some person or group that understands the art of good ruling (300c). Plato distinguishes among constitutions both by the number that rule (one, several, or many) and by whether the rule is wise and is in the interest and secures the consent of the governed (276d7-e6, 291d-292a, 293b6-8, 296d5-297b2, 301a-303b). Whereas monarchy is the best ideal constitution, democracy is the best nonideal constitution (302e6-8, 303a3-b8). However, even democratic government apparently excludes slaves and manual laborers from political participation (289d8-e3, 290a), regulates matters of marriage and procreation (310b-e), and imposes severe penalties for criticism of existing laws and institutions (299c, 300c). The Laws describes appropriate laws, institutions, and practices for nonideal theory (853b-c). In such circumstances, Plato thinks that the correct constitution should strike some kind of balance between monarchy and democracy (756e-757a). Although he is careful to insist that not every desirable social practice that the state might try to encourage should be mandated by law (772d-773e, 788a, 822d-823a, 885c8-d2), he nonetheless endorses a number of legal restrictions on marriage, procreation, association, expression, worship, and consumption (631d-632c, 656c, 662b, 721a-d, 746a, 780a, 783d-785a, 841d-e, 910b-d, 929e-930d, 950d).
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