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Volumn 15, Issue 1, 1997, Pages 1-21

The demography of the Thirty Years War re-revisited: Günther Franz and his critics

(1)  Theibault, John a  

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EID: 0039597917     PISSN: 02663554     EISSN: 1477089X     Source Type: Journal    
DOI: 10.1093/gh/15.1.1     Document Type: Conference Paper
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    • Steinberg, The 'Thirty Years' War', p. 106. It is hard not to read the passage as implying that the huge birth rate would overcome the losses in one year's time, which would be impossible even if half of the remaining population were women of child-bearing age and had children
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