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at the beginning of "Persons and Punishment" and his analysis of the story of Adam and Eve in "Lost Innocence." And on the issue of dark sayings: I once chided Morris for quoting, with obvious appreciation, what at the time I took to be a stupidly obscurantist remark by Simone Weil
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On Guilt and Innocence, pp. 134-135. In this passage Morris also claims that ascribing shame seems appropriate in these cases to the degree that the asking of forgiveness seems inappropriate. I think that this claim is mistaken, and I think that Morris corrects this mistake elsewhere. In "Reflections on Feeling Guilty" (supra note 10, pp. 189-192), Morris sees that forgiveness from others might allow one to attain the kind of humility that allows one to overcome the excessive self-centeredness that is an obstacle to the development of a proper sense of self. Thus one might ask for forgiveness partly in the hope that, if granted, one obstacle has been removed that may stand in the way of moving closer to one's ideal self and thereby overcoming shame. "It seems we need someone to know us as we are - with all we have done - and forgive us. We need to tell. We need to be whole in someone's sight: Know this about me, and yet love me. Please." (Sue Miller, While I Was Gone, supra note 25, p. 261) I am not even sure that Morris is correct when he says that receiving punishment is inappropriate as a way of alleviating shame. This may depend on the purpose of the punishment. If the purpose is purely retributive - to administer the suffering that is properly proportional to one's desert - then Morris is probably right in claiming its inappropriateness to shame. But what if its purpose is reformative - designed, say, to mortify the flesh and humble the will in the hope that a new and better self may emerge from the punitive process? This could, I think, be appropriate as a means of alleviating shame. See Jeffrie G. Murphy, "Repentance, Punishment and Mercy" in Amitai Etzioni (ed.), Repentance (Lanham: Rowman and Littlefield, 1997), pp. 143-170, reprinted in Jeffrie G. Murphy, Character, Liberty and Law (Dordrecht: Kluwer, 1998).
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