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Volumn 18, Issue 2-3, 1999, Pages 168-188

Defining womanhood: Irish women and the Catholic church in Victorian Liverpool

(1)  Kanya Forstner, Martha a  

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CHURCH ROLE; GENDER ROLE; IMMIGRANT POPULATION; RELIGION;

EID: 0033392171     PISSN: 02619288     EISSN: None     Source Type: Journal    
DOI: 10.1080/02619288.1999.9974973     Document Type: Article
Times cited : (11)

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    • See M. Kanya-Forstner, 'Class, Gender and Religion: The Catholic Church and the Irish Poor in Victorian Liverpool', in I. Blanchard (ed.), New Directions in Economic and Social History (Avonbridge, 1995), pp.93-100. See also M. Kanya-Forstner, 'The Politics of Survival', Ch.6.
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    • Ch.6
    • See M. Kanya-Forstner, 'Class, Gender and Religion: The Catholic Church and the Irish Poor in Victorian Liverpool', in I. Blanchard (ed.), New Directions in Economic and Social History (Avonbridge, 1995), pp.93-100. See also M. Kanya-Forstner, 'The Politics of Survival', Ch.6.
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    • New York
    • In his memoir of growing up in an impoverished family in 1930s Limerick, Frank McCourt recalls that his neighbours continued to ostracise people whose relatives had accepted Protestant charity during the Famine almost a century before: There were families that are ashamed of themselves because their forefathers gave up their religion for the sake of a bowl of Protestant soup during the Famine and those families are known ever after as soupers. It's a terrible thing to be a souper because you're doomed forever to the souper part of hell. F. McCourt, Angela's Ashes. A Memoir (New York, 1996), pp.132-3.
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    • LRO, NDM, Annual Report (1877), p.5.
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    • LRO, NDM, Annual Report (1878), p.10.
    • (1878) Annual Report , pp. 10
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    • LRO, NDM, Annual Report (1879), p.5.
    • (1879) Annual Report , pp. 5
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    • LRO, St. Vincent de Paul Society, St. Mary's Conference (hereafter SVP), Minute Book (1868-77). Unfortunately, this is the only record of the St. Mary's Conference that has survived. However, it is a remarkably rich source documenting the relief work of the conference as it was recorded at its weekly meetings. St. Mary's Church on Highfield Street was originally established in the eighteenth century to cater to the spiritual needs of a small Catholic population. By the second half of the nineteenth century, however, the church had become the religious centre for a largely Irish population in one of the most squalid and densely populated parts of the town. See J. Davies, 'Parish Charity: The Work of the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, St. Mary's Highfield St., Liverpool, 1867-1868', North West Catholic History, Vol.17 (1990), p.37.
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    • note
    • Lancashire County Archives (hereafter LCA), RCLv, Bishop Goss's Visitation Sermons, 12 June 1864.
  • 27
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    • 12 Dec.
    • In December 1872, for example, the conference received almost L.3 from the church collection box. [LRO, SVP Minute Book, 12 Dec.1871.]
    • (1871) SVP Minute Book
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    • The welfare state within the state: The Saint Vincent de Paul Society in Glasgow, 1848-1920
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    • 9 Nov.
    • LRO, SVP, Minute Book, 9 Nov. 1869.
    • (1869) Minute Book
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    • 22 March
    • Ibid., 22 March 1871.
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    • Catholic leaders often urged nuns to make home visits to the poor. In one sermon Father Nugent recommended that the Sisters of Charity visit the homes of the poor 'to encourage the use of whitewash and the washing of the children'. Nugent was especially optimistic of the results that might come from such encounters as many of the Sisters were from 'some of the best families, including Lord Herrie's daughter, Miss Middleton.' Liverpool Mortality Sub-Committee, Report and Evidence, 1865-1866, 1866, p.207. Despite such efforts, nuns seem to have been most active in the schools of the parish and do not figure prominently in Victorian chronicles of life in the streets and homes of Liverpool's Irish community.
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    • "Outcast Manchester": Voluntary charity, poor relief, and the casual poor 1860-1905
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    • 1 Sept.
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    • 3 March
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    • 9 Nov.-21 Dec.
    • Ibid., 9 Nov.-21 Dec. 1870.
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    • London
    • The prominence of female drinkers within working-class neighbourhoods had long been a concern of officials and social commentators in the city. In 1850, Abraham Hume recorded with disdain that in the mainly Catholic parish, St. Simon's, there were 51 public houses and 51 beer shops, or one for every 25 families. Hume regretfully observed that these establishments were frequented as often by women as by men. The consequences of this state of affairs were indeed grievous: 'property squandered, domestic comfort destroyed, children neglected, propriety outraged, industry suspended, virtue despised'. A. Hume, Missions at Home (London, 1850), p.14. Of the 6350 female prisoners in the Borough Jail in 1870, 4461 of them were Catholic. Commenting on this statistic, Henry Gibson, the acting Catholic chaplain in the institution, noted that a great many of the women who came under his care were habitually charged with being 'drunken and disorderly'. Further, he observed that drink was most prevalent among the lowest class of the poor who, for the most part, belonged to the Catholic church and who came from localities 'chiefly peopled by the poorest Irish'. LRO, Magistrate's Court Records, Justices Sessions, Gaol and House of Correction, The Roman Catholic Chaplain's Report, 27 Oct. 1870.
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    • Offering evidence before the Mortality Sub-Committee, Mr. Thomas Roberts, a relieving officer, while recognizing the need to collect information from an applicant's neighbours was somewhat sceptical about the veracity of the data received on these occasions: 'when we make inquiries about people, it is with the greatest difficulty that we can get information. We actually have to bribe parties to give us information.' Liverpool Mortality Sub-Committee, Report and Evidence, 1865-1866, 1866, p.164. For the nature of women's sharing networks in Liverpool, see M. Kanya-Forstner, 'Politics of Survival', Ch.2. For a discussion of the vital assistance working-class women extended to each other, see E. Ross, 'Survival Networks: Women's Neighbourhood Sharing in London before World War I', History Workshop Journal, 15 (1983), pp.4-27.
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    • Ch.2
    • Offering evidence before the Mortality Sub-Committee, Mr. Thomas Roberts, a relieving officer, while recognizing the need to collect information from an applicant's neighbours was somewhat sceptical about the veracity of the data received on these occasions: 'when we make inquiries about people, it is with the greatest difficulty that we can get information. We actually have to bribe parties to give us information.' Liverpool Mortality Sub-Committee, Report and Evidence, 1865-1866, 1866, p.164. For the nature of women's sharing networks in Liverpool, see M. Kanya-Forstner, 'Politics of Survival', Ch.2. For a discussion of the vital assistance working-class women extended to each other, see E. Ross, 'Survival Networks: Women's Neighbourhood Sharing in London before World War I', History Workshop Journal, 15 (1983), pp.4-27.
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    • 5 Jan.
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    • 25 Jan.
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    • (1871) Minute Book
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    • 25 Nov. 5 Jan.
    • Ibid., 25 Nov. 1873-5 Jan. 1874.
    • (1873) Minute Book
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    • 15 March
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    • (1870) Minute Book
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    • 20 Jan.
    • Ibid., 20 Jan. 1874.
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    • "Freedom and friendship to Ireland": Ribbonism in early nineteenth-century Liverpool
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    • 30 Nov.
    • LRO, SVP, Minute Book, 30 Nov. 1870.
    • (1870) Minute Book
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    • 22-28 July
    • Ibid., 22-28 July 1874.
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    • Dublin
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    • 24 Feb.
    • LRO, SVP, Minute Book, 24 Feb. 1868.
    • (1868) Minute Book
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    • 16 April
    • Ibid., 16 April 1873.
    • (1873) Minute Book
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    • 17 Feb. 5 Dec.
    • Ibid., 17 Feb. 1874-5 Dec. 1876.
    • (1874) Minute Book
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    • 26 April
    • Ibid., 26 April 1870.
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    • 9 April 10 Oct.
    • Ibid., 9 April 1872-10 Oct. 1876.
    • (1872) Minute Book
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    • Women's work in nineteenth-century London: A study of the years 1820-1850
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    • S. Alexander, 'Women's Work in Nineteenth-Century London: A Study of the Years 1820-1850' in E. Whitelegg (ed.), The Changing Experience of Women (Oxford, 1982), p.33.
    • (1982) The Changing Experience of Women , pp. 33
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    • 21 May
    • LRO, SVP, Minute Book, 21 May 1871.
    • (1871) Minute Book
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    • 18 July 15 April
    • Ibid., 18 July 1871-15 April 1875.
    • (1871) Minute Book


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