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Volumn 23, Issue 2-4, 1997, Pages 59-79

Thomas Hobbes, Christian Thomasius and the seventeenth century debate on the church and state

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EID: 0031536922     PISSN: 01916599     EISSN: None     Source Type: Journal    
DOI: 10.1016/S0191-6599(97)00015-6     Document Type: Article
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    • An earlier version of this paper has been presented at a conference at Durham in July 97. Among all scholars and friends, who discussed this piece with me, I would like particularly to thank David Parrott (New College/Oxford) for his helpful advice and kind encouragement
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